Open Discussion - Sociocracy UK2024-03-28T17:58:16Zhttps://sociocracyuk.ning.com/forum/categories/open-discussion/listForCategory?feed=yes&xn_auth=noSociocracy UK alive in 2018?tag:sociocracyuk.ning.com,2018-03-20:5625072:Topic:242482018-03-20T07:18:42.185ZDuncan Brownhttps://sociocracyuk.ning.com/profile/DuncanBrown
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<p>I have been interested in Sociocracy for a few years and want to now get more actively involved.</p>
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<p>It didn't seem that there has been much activity here for a while - just wondering if everyone is out building/transforming teal organisations in the UK or what?</p>
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<p>I saw this and also wondered if there will be any UK training/events in 2018?…</p>
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<p>Hi</p>
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<p>I have been interested in Sociocracy for a few years and want to now get more actively involved.</p>
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<p>It didn't seem that there has been much activity here for a while - just wondering if everyone is out building/transforming teal organisations in the UK or what?</p>
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<p>I saw this and also wondered if there will be any UK training/events in 2018?</p>
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<p><a href="https://www.conferize.com/international-sociocracy-online-conference-1/register">https://www.conferize.com/international-sociocracy-online-conference-1/register</a></p>
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<p>Thanks</p> Report from DIANE LEAFE CHRISTIAN - Part 3 -- What else I learned about Sociocracy for intentional communities in Findhorntag:sociocracyuk.ning.com,2015-11-24:5625072:Topic:189312015-11-24T23:51:15.620ZFrancois Knuchelhttps://sociocracyuk.ning.com/profile/FrancoisKnuchel
<p><em><b>Here is the third report from Diane Leafe Christian, sent to me by email, to be shared by all interested in sociocracy: Unfortunately due to new restrictions (max 100,000 characters) by Ning, it is no longer possible to put the whole piece directly on the site (or one would have to split it into 8), so I attach a PDF document of it instead</b></em></p>
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<p>Hello again,</p>
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<p> This is the third report (one of a planned four reports) for friends and colleagues…</p>
<p><em><b>Here is the third report from Diane Leafe Christian, sent to me by email, to be shared by all interested in sociocracy: Unfortunately due to new restrictions (max 100,000 characters) by Ning, it is no longer possible to put the whole piece directly on the site (or one would have to split it into 8), so I attach a PDF document of it instead</b></em></p>
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<p>Hello again,</p>
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<p> This is the third report (one of a planned four reports) for friends and colleagues who teach Sociocracy or are interested in it, and especially in intentional communities.</p>
<p> It’s about what else I learned during my visit to the Findhorn Community in July re how people learn and use Sociocracy in a community setting. As noted before, after the GEN Conference I stayed on to be a consultant with Robert Gilman for the "Working Group for Change” for the Findhorn Community.</p>
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<p> This report focuses on what I learned about how some organizations there use or partially use some aspects of Sociocracy, the benefits and challenges they've experienced, and what this has shown me about teaching Sociocracy more effectively for intentional communities.</p>
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<p><b><i>Informal consultations.</i></b> East Whins is a relatively new 50-member cohousing neighborhood in The Park. They’d been having challenges in meetings so an East Whins member asked me to do an informal consultation, and I did. I also visited with the manager of Moray Carshare, a 40-member, nine-car regional car co-op. And I visited with the president and another member of the Titleholder’s Association, a governing organization for the four individual housing developments in The Park (where people own their own homes). All of these organizations use Sociocracy.</p>
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<p><strong>For continuation see attached Pdf document .....</strong></p> Report from DIANE LEAFE CHRISTIAN - Part 2 - What I learned about Sociocracy for intentional communities in Findhorntag:sociocracyuk.ning.com,2015-10-03:5625072:Topic:187312015-10-03T22:30:17.543ZFrancois Knuchelhttps://sociocracyuk.ning.com/profile/FrancoisKnuchel
<p><em><b>Here is a report from Diane Leafe Christian, sent to me by email, to be shared by all interested in sociocracy: Unfortunately due to new restrictions (max 100,000 characters) by Ning, it is no longer possible to put the whole piece directly on the site (or one would have to split it into 6), so I attach a PDF document of it instead</b></em></p>
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<p>Hello again,</p>
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<p> This is the second report (one of a planned four reports) for friends and colleagues who…</p>
<p><em><b>Here is a report from Diane Leafe Christian, sent to me by email, to be shared by all interested in sociocracy: Unfortunately due to new restrictions (max 100,000 characters) by Ning, it is no longer possible to put the whole piece directly on the site (or one would have to split it into 6), so I attach a PDF document of it instead</b></em></p>
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<p>Hello again,</p>
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<p> This is the second report (one of a planned four reports) for friends and colleagues who teach or are interested in Sociocracy, and especially in intentional communities.</p>
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<p> It's about what else I learned during my trip to the Findhorn Community -- in this case (unlike the previous report about the GEN Conference there), as a consultant along with Robert Gilman for the "Working Group for Change." This happened the week after the GEN Conference. And especially what I learned from the small informal Sociocracy consultations I did that week for various individual groups within the wider Findhorn Community. </p>
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<p> The "Working Group for Change" -- "Working Group" for short -- was created by the New Findhorn Association (NFA). The New Findhorn Association is a networking organization that organizes some community-wide activities and publishes a newsletter for the many individuals and organizations that comprise the Findhorn Community, which folks there call "the Community." One of these organizations is the Findhorn Foundation, itself -- the original spiritual intentional community.</p>
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<p><strong>For continuation see attached Pdf document .....</strong></p> Report from DIANE LEAFE CHRISTIAN - What I learned about Sociocracy for intentional communities at GEN Conferencetag:sociocracyuk.ning.com,2015-09-12:5625072:Topic:186232015-09-12T12:06:30.964ZFrancois Knuchelhttps://sociocracyuk.ning.com/profile/FrancoisKnuchel
<p><strong><em>Here is a report from Diane Leafe Christian, sent to me by email, to be shared by all interested in sociocracy:</em></strong></p>
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<p><strong><span class="font-size-4">What I learned about Sociocracy for intentional communities at GEN Conference</span></strong></p>
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<p>This report, the first email of three, is for friends and colleagues who teach Sociocracy, and especially those who teach it to intentional communities. </p>
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<p> I want to…</p>
<p><strong><em>Here is a report from Diane Leafe Christian, sent to me by email, to be shared by all interested in sociocracy:</em></strong></p>
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<p><strong><span class="font-size-4">What I learned about Sociocracy for intentional communities at GEN Conference</span></strong></p>
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<p>This report, the first email of three, is for friends and colleagues who teach Sociocracy, and especially those who teach it to intentional communities. </p>
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<p> I want to tell you, first, what new things I learned at the five-day Global Ecovillage Network (GEN) conference at Findhorn Community in Scotland, July 4-10. </p>
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<p> And in the second email, most of what I learned as a consultant along with Robert Gilman for the "Working Group for Change" at the Findhorn Community the following week, and from the small informal consultations I did for various individual groups within the wider Findhorn Community. </p>
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<p> And in the third email, a bit more of what I learned doing informal consultations for individual groups at Findhorn, and what I learned specifically from a new friend from Austria who was visiting Findhorn at the time, Markus Spitzer, a Sociocracy trainer with the Austrian Sociocracy Center.</p>
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<p> The <strong>July 4-10 GEN Conference</strong> was the 20th anniversary celebration of GEN International. This is the overall network comprised of five GEN Regions and NextGEN, the international ecovillage youth organization. There were 400 or so people from all over Europe, as that is the closest GEN region, and also the Middle East, Africa, Lain America, a few people from Asia and Australia & New Zealand, and some Americans too, and at least one Canadian (from La Cité Écologique, Francine.) </p>
<p> <a target="_self" href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2311920282?profile=original"><img width="555" class="align-center" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2311920282?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="555"/></a></p>
<p><i> </i> <i>Some of the conference participants in Findhorn's Universal Hall.</i></p>
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<p>I was in a GEN task group that met five times during the conference to consider issues of GEN's potential reorganization, both in terms of structure and content. I did a 45-minute overview about Sociocracy for the group one morning.</p>
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<p> Also, after a 10-minute presentation on ecovillages for the Findhorn video streaming service (later to be on youtube). At that talk I met Ilan Aron from Tasman Ecovillage in Australia, Gina. At Tasman Ecovilage they're learning Sociocracy and I think already using some of it, with Gina Price from Perth as their trainer. </p>
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<p><i> </i> <i>At the start of my 10-minute presentation for the GEN conference in the Universal Hall.</i></p>
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<p> There already was an interest in Sociocracy in some parts of GEN.</p>
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<p> The GEN-Europe group had elected five new Council members by the Sociocracy elections process the day before the conference started.</p>
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<p> And C.A.S.A., the Latin American GEN region, is now using Sociocracy, which I think is in some part due to my teaching it in April, 2013 for Aldeafeliz Ecovillage in Colombia and representatives of CASA Colombia, their national GEN organization, there. I met many Latin American CASA people the first day of the conference, some whom I'd originally met when CASA was formed at another ecovillage in Colombia in 2012, and some from the Aldeafeliz workshop. </p>
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<p> I was already talking with my friend Gio Ciarlo about doing a Sociocracy workshop for Huehuecoyotl Ecovillage in Central Mexico in November. However, when I met my CASA friends they said they wanted me to teach it for CASA Mexico too on the same visit, so I will. CASA Mexico is the national GEN organization of that country.</p>
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<p><i>Some CASA members at the GEN Conference.</i> <i>That's Gio Ciarlo and Alberto Ruz from Huehuecoyotl Ecovillage in Mexico, second from left (with the hat) and third from left (with the colorful vest).</i></p>
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<p> The day after the GEN conference some new GEN Council members told me that five of them wanted to implement Sociocracy for GEN International, to replace their current governance structure (which is rather loose) and their current decision making method, which is a loose form of consensus. And they wanted me to teach it. The whole Council (5 or maybe 7 more people, I think), need to approve the proposal. </p>
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<p> If the proposal passes (via their current decision process - consensus), I'll do an online training for the GEN Council members (board of directors), their steering group (like department heads), and their small international staff, in an online 12-week course starting in August. When I told John Buck he advised me to talk with he and Jerry Koch-Gozalez from TSCG, as they and TSCG already have a lot of experience now teaching Sociocracy online. I've taught Sociocracy online before, but will absolutely learn from John and Jerry for this proposed course.</p>
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<p> I also met two European Sociocracy trainer pals during the conference, Frands Frydendal from Denmark and Fredjan Twight from Bergen Ecovillage in The Netherlands. Frands teaches in Denmark and also now Portugal. Fredjan has taught in The Netherlands and other places in Europe too, including Italy. </p>
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<p> Frands and I hung out several times to visit and share what we've learned since the last time we met, which was when he, and Fredjan and another Sociocracy trainer friend, James Priest, were at my workshop in 2013 at Ängsbacka Ecovillage in Sweden.</p>
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<p><a target="_self" href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2311920704?profile=original"><img class="align-center" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2311920704?profile=original" height="295" width="504"/></a> <i>Frands, Fredjan, me, and James Priest after the Ängsbacka workshop in Sweden in 2013.</i></p>
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<p> Frands is one of the three Sociocracy trainers I know of who has also studied Holacracy (I'm one and Gina in Australia is another -- and both Frands and Gina have taken the full-on four-day training with Brian Robertson). </p>
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<p> Frands told me how he used some simulation exercises, an idea he got from Brian's Holacracy training, when he next taught Sociocracy in Portugal. It sounded very cool. Frands also said something very useful to me, which is that circles being self-organizing and semi-autonomous, means that while they organize themselves, they are only "semi" autonomous beucase they are created by and given their domain and aims by the General Circle. I knew this but it was helpful to learn this way of putting it. Everytime I visit with a Sociocracy trainer I learn something new and useful.</p>
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<p> I also got to visit with Fredjan. When he and I talked Fredjan told me about two exercises he's done in recent workshops that help people understand the principle of feedback loops. One was the "lighthouse game." In this game someone becomes "it" and briefly leaves the room, while others stand in various places around the room. One serves as the lighthouse and others serve as buoys in the water. The person who was "it" returns, and with eyes closed has to walk through the room to find the lighthouse. The lighthouse person makes periodic high "beep" sounds so the person can move toward it from the sense of sound. Yet many buoy-people are in the way, and they make low "beee-ohhh" sounds like a foghorn, which means "Stop, go around, not this way." So the person slowly navigates through the room to avoid all the buoys and finally arrive at the lighthouse, navigating only by the feedback of the sounds. </p>
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<p> I had been scheduled to do a brief overview of the elections process for GEN-Europe the previous Saturday for their Council elections, and to then facilitate the process for them. But I got sick and Fredjan did it instead. thank goodness.</p>
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<p> He asked if I'd heard anything about the GEN-Europe elections, and I had, which was that they successfully used the process to elect five new Council members.</p>
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<p> He was also interested in hearing if there were any suggestions for improvement. I told him I'd heard that two Council members were proposed and consented to who, it turned out when they were asked last for their consent, couldn't do it or didn't want to do it. So some GEN-Europe people had felt frustrated because of the time it took to do that, only to find out the consented-to candidates didn't want the role.</p>
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<p> Fredjan and I talked about the pros and cons of asking the proposed candidate for their consent last. This is the usual way it's done, but this experience -- doing an elections process one by one with 30 people in the room -- made me wonder if in some circumstances it might be better just to ask the candidates right way if they'd be up for it. Food for thought . . .</p>
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<p> We also talked about the process of making clear at the beginning of the elections process not only the term length but also to list in a visual way and give consent to the tasks of the role, the requirements for the candidate that would be necessary to do those tasks, and also desired characteristics for the role (that is, optional things rather than requirements.) </p>
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<p> I had helped compile these lists for GEN-Europe online ahead of time with Robert Hall, the GEN-Europe president, and I would have brought it to the meeting. But when I got sick I didn't forward this information to Fredjan, and Robert Hall didn't bring it forth in the meeting either. Fredjan didn't bring it up either at the beginning meeting, but rather started the elections process. We talked about this, and I think it was more confirmation for both of us to always include this important part of the process.)</p>
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<p> I told him about a story from from a forming cohousing community in another country that had had a half-day workshop in Sociocracy, including the elections process, which the trainer facilitated. But for some reason he didn't ask them to first agree on the tasks, requirements, or desired characteristics for the role. Unfortunatey someone objected to the proposed person because of personal dislike rather than on anything regarding the tasks or requirements for the role. It created an awful conflict in the group right then, and my friends in the group tell me the fallout from the conflict continues to this day. </p>
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<p> My last conversation about Sociocracy the GEN Conference was when Nicoletta, a movement therapist from Sieben Linden Ecovillage in Germany, described her and Fredjan's workshop a few months ago in The Netherlands. </p>
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<p> She said she offered movement exercises in the workshop to add balance to the non-movement aspects of the workshop.</p>
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<p> She said something like, "As you probably know, most intentional communities that learn Sociocracy in workshops don't like it or use it because it's too theoretical and mental for them." She said her movement exercises counterbalanced all the theory and thus made it a really good workshop. </p>
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<p> I was surprised to hear this because I don't think Sociocracy is theoretical and mental, and know it can be taught in visual ways and with and lots of exercises for practice. </p>
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<p> I told Nicoletta I know intentional communities that have learned Sociocracy in workshops or study groups and now use it and like it very much, such as Pioneer Valley Cohousing in Massachusetts, Harts Mill Ecovillage in North Carolina, and Aldeafeliz Ecovillage in Colombia.</p>
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<p> One of the founders at Aldeafeliz wrote an article that appeared in <i>Communities</i> magazine, "Sociocracy to the Rescue at Aldeafeliz Ecovillage." <i>(I'll send a copy if you're interested; just email if so.)</i></p>
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<p><a target="_self" href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2311920877?profile=original"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2311920877?profile=original" height="353" width="523"/></a> <i>Aldeafeliz members doing Consent Decision-Making in their workshop.</i></p>
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<p> The next email will describe how some people in the Findhorn Community are now using some parts of Sociocracy or are interested in learning more. And what I learned about what has been helpful for the organizations that use it, and what has sometimes challenging for some, which seem have some misunderstandings of how to implement it.</p>
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<p> Diana</p>
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<p>Hi, New member here ;)</p>
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<p>I am in the process of setting up an educational organisation with the ambitions vision and goal of the whole of the British electorate having had an opportunity to hear what we have to say by the May 2020 general election!</p>
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<p>Sociocracy, as something I came across a few years back when another organisation I am involved with took it on (the Alexander Technique Interactive Teaching Method Teachers' Association) and read the book at the time,…</p>
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<p>I am in the process of setting up an educational organisation with the ambitions vision and goal of the whole of the British electorate having had an opportunity to hear what we have to say by the May 2020 general election!</p>
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<p>Sociocracy, as something I came across a few years back when another organisation I am involved with took it on (the Alexander Technique Interactive Teaching Method Teachers' Association) and read the book at the time, seems to be the most obvious means of organising the new organisation. I'll need to look into whether to use some kind of formal company to limit liability of members or something less formal and how the circular organising practices of a Sociocratic organisation can comply with and integrate with standard British legal entity.</p>
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<p>Anyone have any experience or knowledge in this field to share?</p> SPARK SOCIOCRACYtag:sociocracyuk.ning.com,2014-07-02:5625072:Topic:176222014-07-02T21:37:10.964ZFrancois Knuchelhttps://sociocracyuk.ning.com/profile/FrancoisKnuchel
<p>This discussion space here is for anyone wanting to comment, ask or otherwise discuss issues arising from the workshop at <strong><a href="http://sparkthechange.co.uk/sociocracy.html" target="_blank">SPARK THE CHANGE</a></strong> on 3 July 2014 in central London (Stoos) with Nate Whitestone, Les Moore and Francois Knuchel. Feel free to use this space (if you are not registered you will need to do that first). Let's spark the change sociocratically. </p>
<p>This discussion space here is for anyone wanting to comment, ask or otherwise discuss issues arising from the workshop at <strong><a href="http://sparkthechange.co.uk/sociocracy.html" target="_blank">SPARK THE CHANGE</a></strong> on 3 July 2014 in central London (Stoos) with Nate Whitestone, Les Moore and Francois Knuchel. Feel free to use this space (if you are not registered you will need to do that first). Let's spark the change sociocratically. </p> How to use sociocracy in project managing an intranettag:sociocracyuk.ning.com,2014-03-11:5625072:Topic:175242014-03-11T11:13:37.731ZNadine Michaelideshttps://sociocracyuk.ning.com/profile/NadineMichaelides
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<p>I am new to sociocracy and am looking to use elements of it as part of a new project to revitalise the HR intranet and provide a more useful tool for employees.</p>
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<p>Are there any tips you can give me in trying to get people together in workshops or forums and the process by which decisions are made using sociocracy. </p>
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<p>Any tips and suggestions welcome from all!</p>
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<p>Thanks in advance,</p>
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<p>Nadine.</p>
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<p>I am new to sociocracy and am looking to use elements of it as part of a new project to revitalise the HR intranet and provide a more useful tool for employees.</p>
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<p>Are there any tips you can give me in trying to get people together in workshops or forums and the process by which decisions are made using sociocracy. </p>
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<p>Any tips and suggestions welcome from all!</p>
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<p>Thanks in advance,</p>
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<p>Nadine.</p> How can we structure our Co-housing group?tag:sociocracyuk.ning.com,2013-06-14:5625072:Topic:163722013-06-14T16:46:44.310ZMartin Roche-Nishimorihttps://sociocracyuk.ning.com/profile/MartinRocheNishimori
<p><span><font face="Arial" size="2">We have just formed a Co-housing group, here in Findhorn, called East Whins. We would like to set it up with a Sociocracy governance model as our basic structure, but I am finding it difficult to see how we can do that because of the complexity of the group. And so, I am asking as many as I can to see if I/we can get any clearer.</font></span></p>
<p><span><font face="Arial" size="2">How can we apply a sociocratic governance structure into our particular…</font></span></p>
<p><span><font face="Arial" size="2">We have just formed a Co-housing group, here in Findhorn, called East Whins. We would like to set it up with a Sociocracy governance model as our basic structure, but I am finding it difficult to see how we can do that because of the complexity of the group. And so, I am asking as many as I can to see if I/we can get any clearer.</font></span></p>
<p><span><font face="Arial" size="2">How can we apply a sociocratic governance structure into our particular setting. How do we structure ourselves in a simple and effective structure in order to be a successful cohousing group that caters for the needs of us as a resident group as well as owners.<br/> I would appreciate any thoughts on this anyone may have.<br/></font></span></p>
<div>My understanding of how we are is as follows:</div>
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<li>Co-housing of 25 proprietors who own private property, 24 own houses/flats and 1 non-resident owns a pottery studio, as well as share in the costs of common facilities such as laundry, common room and gardens. These proprietors make up the members of the only just formed legal entity, the Residents Association (RA). If a couple share ownership, they are allocated only one vote. We were legally obliged by contract to set up n RA a corresponding RA committee from the "proprietors".</li>
<li>However, there are about 34 residents. Some houses/flats have single people, others have a couple or a small family. Most are owner occupiers, but some are rentees (of which some are likely to be short term and others very long term). In addition, some houses/flats have shared equity ownership (the resident owns a part share and Park Ecovillage Trust own the remaining majority share). Park Ecovillage Trust also own two flats that are rented out as affordable homes.</li>
<li>We have only just formed a Resident's Association (RA), by creating a RA committee, and this was done because of legal need. Not all houses have been completed yet so not everyone has moved in. There are a number of working groups (eg. the laundry group who volunteer to look after the laundry, the Common Room group who look after the Common Room and so on). This includes our group, the Governance group, who are tasked with comming up with a proposal for our constitution and structure (and decision making procedures).</li>
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<p><span><font face="Arial" size="2">The question for me is: <b>How do we set up a structure for the Residents Association (RA) that includes takes into account the mix here?</b> <br/><br/>Do we need an RA and another group or can it all be within the one RA. How do we decide who has consent or who can be in which circle. What kind of circles do we make and how do we best link them in order of abstract to concrete (hierarchy). When do we have issues and decisions brought to the whole group of residents or the whole group of owners or both? What issues do owners have consent in and what do the residents and what do both? Do couples and families all have consent or are there times we limit it to one per household/property etc. etc. It feels rather messy at the moment and already there has been some conflict about whether non-committee members attending the committee meeting should be allowed to vote.</font></span></p>
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<p><span><font face="Arial" size="2">Any thoughts?</font></span></p>
<p><span><font face="Arial" size="2">Cheers, Martin</font></span></p>